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Deagol · Jun 14, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by northernlights

Over the course of a year Guild Wars is only marginally cheaper than WoW (assuming you purchase GW expansions every 6 months) - the money here really shouldn't be a factor.

First expansion is scheduled to "first half 2006". Since GW itself was scheduled to "first quarter 2005" (and came out at the end of April), this is more like one year between expansions. Which equate to (at most) US$ 50 a year. This is more than marginally less than US$ 180 a year.

eventhorizen · Jun 14, 2005, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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Originally Posted by Deagol

First expansion is scheduled to "first half 2006". Since GW itself was scheduled to "first quarter 2005" (and came out at the end of April), this is more like one year between expansions. Which equate to (at most) US$ 50 a year. This is more than marginally less than US$ 180 a year.

ah yes, irrefutable logic, gotta love it

Skawtt · Jun 14, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Im not from WoW ........Im from Star Wars Galaxies along with about 35+ people I know(same guild both here and there) We all left shortly after there Combat Upgrade fiasco and most if not all of us will never purchase another SOE product ever again

BTW if you have watched the new commercials for it Yoda is NOT in the game in any way shape or form............just another one of SOE's lies.

CarlynZara · Jun 14, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

I recently came from WoW, but I think that's a little midleading to say. I'm still in WoW, and although I won't be leaving my account active after this month, that is only because I'm having so much fun with GW. But I have no doubt I'll reopen my WoW account sometime in the future.

Both are great games in their own ways. I really can't put my finger on it, but something about WoW just puts it above any other game I've ever played. Just the whole experience is priceless, and definitly worth the $15 per month.

Yet, GW is a great game too. I can't comment too much on either since I've only been playing GW for a week, and my highest WoW char is 35. But I'm loving GW...the PvE and the extremely small taste of PvP I got from going post-searing. It's all been very fun.

So I'll continue to enjoy both games for the forseeable future. And to say either game is better than another is just a matter of personal opinion.

Tala · Jun 14, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

I played WoW since it appeared on the shelves. I really love some of the aspects of that game. I think the whole secondary skill system is fantastic. No, they weren't balanced...but then nothing in WoW ever was.

Balance of classes (for some reason I seemed to always pick the class that was the least balanced)

and server issues are why I haven't been back.

I never really cared about the $15 bucks a month with the exception of how little it bought in the case of server maintenance. I'm totally cool with paying monthly for a game that entertains me. It did that. When the servers were working. Sadly, that wasn't as often as I'd expected.

Have I gone back to WoW? No. Not yet. I will in the future, but not yet. I've actually gone back to CoH. I forgot how wonderful it felt to *be* a hero.

Wow has some nice scenery art, but nothing compared to GW. And your toons are just plain ugly in WoW.

I don't like PVP. (I know, what am I doing here?) I have done all the PVE in GW and it was worth the money I spent on the game. I will buy the expansions because I want to see more of the story.

I didn't PVP in WoW, I am not doing it in GW and I will never do it in CoH.

I would have to say when the game was running I enjoyed WoW more. Considering I don't like PvP, that's not an insult to GW. GW was run by NCSoft. I bought it because of that. Apparently I had been jaded by the level of service in CoH and was willing to give anything NCSoft put out because of it. I'm glad I did.

Jamz · Jun 14, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

I like GW for the strategy element.. Far superior to WOW in that Respect..

Also for me Monthly Subs are an issue (I'm in a well paid job, I just refused to have to KEEP paying for a game) so GW is by far cheaper. It cost me £18 to buy, WOW will cost me £30 to buy plus a £11 a month sub. so £151 for the first year, GW on the other hand will cost me £18 a year.. I know which I'll go with for pure value...

Ashraven · Jun 14, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

A friend asked me to try out WoW, so I currently have a 10 day pass. So far I've been soloing with my (now) level 6 rogue. And so far, I don't find it all that exciting. This, I know, is a premature statement, as I'm pretty sure it will be much more fun after level 10, when it becomes more engaging as you fight/quest with others. But my first impressions of WoW are not nearly as favorable as when I first started GW. The graphics blew me away in GW, and the combat system and skills/profession is so different from other RPG games; this, in itself, has been very refreshing.

I find soloing in GW extremely fun. However, I also wish that GW had more of an epic feel to it as well. I'm not sure if this is a fair statement as I do know that GW was never intended to cross into that genre, where a persistent world is required.

Furthermore, at this rate, I don't know if I can truly take advantage of the 10 day pass. I'm afraid WoW can not fit into my lifestyle, and I'm not so fanatic that I will make my lifestyle fit WoW. In any case, I think what it comes down to is if the game is fun for you personally. If so, then trying to make comparisons or argue about which game is better becomes rather pointless.

On the flip side, this thread has offered very interesting reading!

Dax · Jun 14, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Right now I'm playing both WoW and GW, although I haven't played WoW all week...but I do have a job and stuff. WoW for a MMORPG is a great fit for the person who doesn't have alot of time on thier hands. GW is too but it doesn't have the same ineractiveness. It's a little bit more immersive than CoH but it's about as casual of a game as anything around...you can almost see this as a single player game with multiplayer added on.

I would cut WoW a little more slack in so far as thier servers, they did stumble at the beginning but considering thier numbers thier downtime isn't too bad...although GW has only been down once (I've experienced) and their updates are oh so fast. Also the monthly charge is hard to swallow, but from experience I know that between maintaining a ecosystem of a MMORPG, running the servers, and community issues its a constant job that requires constant attention.

I still think its halarious how GW has done so much to take the 'grind' out of a MMO yet people, I myself included, still feel the grind.

Soda Popinski · Jun 14, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I find it interesting when people mention the lack of a monthly fee as a reason to play GW. For sure, that is a valid reason to pick GW over WoW, but it does not indicate by itself that GW offers a better quality gaming experience than WoW. I drive a Camry instead of a Ferrari because that's what I can afford for a car, but I'm sure the Ferrari offers a superior driving experience.

For someone who has money to burn, the lack of a monthly fee in GW is irrelevant if WoW is a better game. And for GW fans, it would be nice if GW could stand on its own as a better game than WoW without considering the lack of a monthly fee.

Some questions to ponder:

1) Would you play GW over WoW if it charged the same monthly fee?

and the converse question:

2) Would you play WoW over GW if it did not charge a monthly fee?

Jamz · Jun 14, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Soda Popinski

I find it interesting when people mention the lack of a monthly fee as a reason to play GW. For sure, that is a valid reason to pick GW over WoW, but it does not indicate by itself that GW offers a better quality gaming experience than WoW. I drive a Camry instead of a Ferrari because that's what I can afford for a car, but I'm sure the Ferrari offers a superior driving experience.

For someone who has money to burn, the lack of a monthly fee in GW is irrelevant if WoW is a better game. And for GW fans, it would be nice if GW could stand on its own as a better game than WoW without considering the lack of a monthly fee.

Some questions to ponder:

1) Would you play GW over WoW if it charged the same monthly fee?

and the converse question:

2) Would you play WoW over GW if it did not charge a monthly fee?

1. I would play neither...

2. I would play WoW..

I don;t belive monthly fees are fair..

Holoman · Jun 14, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Soda Popinski

I find it interesting when people mention the lack of a monthly fee as a reason to play GW. For sure, that is a valid reason to pick GW over WoW, but it does not indicate by itself that GW offers a better quality gaming experience than WoW. I drive a Camry instead of a Ferrari because that's what I can afford for a car, but I'm sure the Ferrari offers a superior driving experience.

For someone who has money to burn, the lack of a monthly fee in GW is irrelevant if WoW is a better game. And for GW fans, it would be nice if GW could stand on its own as a better game than WoW without considering the lack of a monthly fee.

Some questions to ponder:

1) Would you play GW over WoW if it charged the same monthly fee?

and the converse question:

2) Would you play WoW over GW if it did not charge a monthly fee?

1. No I would not play GW if it charges monthly fees.
2. No I would not play WoW even if it's free like GW because I'm not into the warcraft world setting, and I don't find the graphics of WoW to be visually pleasing.
The only mmorpg that I've payed to play was EQ and I played it for 3 years. The only mmorpg that I'm looking forward to is Vanguard.

Ashraven · Jun 14, 2005, 05:08 PM // 17:08

I'm not all that convinced if we could come up with a clear cut winner even if WoW did NOT have a monthly fee.

It would still be an argument based primarily on subjective opinion. Of course, there are certain fundamental criteria that must be more or less equal such as graphics, playability, replay value etc., and for the most part, both games fulfill the basic criteria. So it comes down to preferences.

The grind that many people hate in GW may actually be essential for a WoWer- that sense of putting so much investment into making that uber character is extremely rewarding to the truest of WoW geeks (I mean that in a positive way). To get that rare elite weapon and mount gives enough incentive and drive; the focus is not so much on the grind as it is on the utlimate goal.

Another case in point, the arena type battles that some find confining in GW may be a preference to many over the epic, controlled sort of chaos in the battles found in WoW.

Also, the ganking found in WoW may be a bane for many, but others would find it very fulfilling in a demented sort of way (taking the good with the bad in this case...so to speak).

You can see what I'm getting at. As you've noticed in this thread alone, there is a counter arguement to every arguement. This is enough to show you the bias or preference people have. At least, for the most part, the arguements have been well thought out- which I can truly appreciate and respect.

Personally, if all conditions were ideal, (i.e. for me, lifestyle conducive to investing time playing on-line games and free monthly fee for both), then I would more than likely play both GW and WoW. I like certain key elements of both games. My love for RPG games started a long time ago with AD&D, and has carried me through all these years. My first e-gaming experience was with Wizardry, then Ultima, then Final Fantasy, and so on. So for me, its natural and feasible to actually like both games without hurting myself or developing some kind of split personality. :P

But don't let me stop you from saying your peace; keep the comments coming!

northernlights · Jun 14, 2005, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Ashraven

A friend asked me to try out WoW, so I currently have a 10 day pass. So far I've been soloing with my (now) level 6 rogue. And so far, I don't find it all that exciting. This, I know, is a premature statement, as I'm pretty sure it will be much more fun after level 10, when it becomes more engaging as you fight/quest with others. But my first impressions of WoW are not nearly as favorable as when I first started GW. The graphics blew me away in GW, and the combat system and skills/profession is so different from other RPG games; this, in itself, has been very refreshing.

You should be able to solo almost everything up to level 40 with your rogue, so while you may want companions to quest with after level 10 note that this will slow you down big time (in terms of xp).

Thank you to those who contributed that actually have recent WoW PVP experience, your posts are insightful.

I think it's safe to say these two games have a stranglehold on the online gaming market, regardless of which category their thrown into. In the end for me it comes down to this:

- If I have less than an hour to play - Guild Wars
- If I have more than an hour to play - WoW

WoW is where my heart is but the end game PVE can often take some time to get going (40 man raids), so Guild Wars is a great way for me to kill 30 minutes.

Ashraven · Jun 14, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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You should be able to solo almost everything up to level 40 with your rogue, so while you may want companions to quest with after level 10 note that this will slow you down big time (in terms of xp).

Thanks. Thats good to know as I would like to level up as fast as possible to at least lvl 20-25 so I can get a fairly good flavor of being in PvP battles and somewhat contribute.

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I think it's safe to say these two games have a stranglehold on the online gaming market, regardless of which category their thrown into. In the end for me it comes down to this:

- If I have less than an hour to play - Guild Wars
- If I have more than an hour to play - WoW

WoW is where my heart is but the end game PVE can often take some time to get going (40 man raids), so Guild Wars is a great way for me to kill 30 minutes.

I think that's a general, but pretty accurate summary. All my friends who are WoW'ers basically sum it up the same way. As diehard as they are about WoW, they are true gamers at heart who can still appreciate GW for what it is and what it offers, and that's all that I ask from them

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 14, 2005, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Is it just me or some people are hook to different MMORPG and they won't play anything else. Like my cousin, he love FFXII and in fact he played at least 2 or 3 hours and he say that Guild Wars is good but didn't feel like switching games. By the way, he about 27 year old!

Ninna · Jun 14, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by northernlights

You should be able to solo almost everything up to level 40 with your rogue,

you can solo to 60 if wish -- I did as a rogue

Sugar Nspice · Jun 14, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

"""You should be able to solo almost everything up to level 40 with your rogue, so while you may want companions to quest with after level 10 note that this will slow you down big time (in terms of xp)."""

But what fun is that?
I find the most fun getting in groups, meeting new people, taking missions/quests on together. I only solo if i have a very limited amount of time to spend. Sometimes you get into bad groups... i try to laugh that off and it makes me appreciate even more when I get into a good group.

Two different games here folks....made for two different types of people.
Play WOW if you want to be rewarded more for time spent. Play GW if you don't have as much time to commit, but still want to be able to compete.

I don't like to grind. I don't like to farm. That's why I play guild wars. If i was stuck on a desert island and had to pick 1 game to take with...i'd take WOW. If i want a good social life, work life, and gaming life to all fit into my 1 life....i'd choose GW. It doesn't have Nearly the commitement that WOW does.
This is coming from a FPS gamer. I'd expect a die hard MMO player to chose WOW....and i wouldn't hold anything against them for choosing it.
When it comes down to it...gw having better graphics and being cheaper isn't important. You buy and play what you will enjoy more. I love quake 3. I shouldn't expect that I could convince all of you here that it is a way better game than WOW and GW combined..... That wouldn't be a good effort of my time. Although some would give it a try and agree...tons wouldn't. It's like coke vs pepsi. So you friend only drinks coke and hasn't tried pepsi yet (your personal favorite). well be a good friend and get him to try it if you think its so great. From there....let him decide if he is going to switch...drink both on occasion...or go back to the good ol coke.

play each game for what you want it for. At the moment i am playing guild wars to get through the game with different characters.....to see what classes i like the most and to see which one i have the most fun playing. Eventually i'll make the switch to pvp as i know i'll enjoy that. when the expansion pack for gw comes out....i'll treat it as if its a brand new game and decide whether or not i want to buy it and try it out. I could really give a care what my gw friends/guild mates do. I do what i want to do. The great part is so many of you wonderful people are all doing the same thing....and i can meet up with you online and make good groups and bad groups and some new friends.

xoxox
dont flame each other. don't say your game is better than the other guys game. just say this game is more geared towards how i like to play computer games...but i see how that game is more geared for what your looking for. have fun good game.

Syuveil · Jun 14, 2005, 07:24 PM // 19:24

You will accomplish almost nothing in 30 minutes in GW... countering northern lights... I don't see your point. You can spent 5+ hours just in pre-searing, you have to if your genna do all the missions. If you do every mission that comes your way, it can take 80+ hours to get to Henge and etc... as to the charr? You push them back in the end missions with Rurik. You use the horn and are victorious... then rurik gets all stupid like and you all get banished... so you already defeated the charr when you get to Yak's Bend...

U all use the "time spent playing doesn't reward you as much" but I dissagree, more experience is more skill... just because it's made so it can be used by people with less time, doesn't mean it loses its time stealing attribute...

northernlights · Jun 14, 2005, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by Ninna

you can solo to 60 if wish -- I did as a rogue

Yes but your gear will absoloutely blow. And isn't acquiring nice gear part of WoW's draw?

northernlights · Jun 14, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by Syuveil

You will accomplish almost nothing in 30 minutes in GW... countering northern lights... I don't see your point.

Perhaps you misunderstood me. Im not talking about 30 minutes a week. If I have a chunk of 3 hours to game in a day, I'l play WoW. If I have 6 chunks of 30 minutes each in a day, I'l play GW. Of all the Guild Wars missions/quests I have done only 1 or 2 have taken me more than 30 minutes. Higher end warcraft instances (dungeons) take anywhere from 2-6 hours.

And no, I have not been to Underworld yet.